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Post by Detroit Pistons (Irwin) on Jan 8, 2017 0:58:16 GMT -5
Pistons trade:
Domantas Sabonis $2.44M (2019)
Kelly Olynyk $3.09M (2016)
Pistons 2017 1st
Pistons 2017 2nd
Pistons 2019 1st
Thunder trade:
Paul Millsap $20.07M (2016)
Kyle Korver $5.24M (2016)
Thunder 2018 2nd
Pistons accept. Adding Millsap and Korver gets me more production in my lineup. If George Hill stays healthy and doesn't get hurt again, then I might I have a shot.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder (Loren) on Jan 8, 2017 1:14:41 GMT -5
Accept. I finally get a C. GO ZAGS #Undefeated
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Jan 8, 2017 8:36:11 GMT -5
Approve
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Jan 8, 2017 15:24:35 GMT -5
Wow. I will abstain from voting for now because i was also trying for Millsap (took too long to reply, i guess, sorry thunder) and I'm biased, but... Wow.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 8, 2017 22:55:14 GMT -5
This is so lopsided lmao loren. Veto, not close in my book. Adding a better piece besides Sabonis and it would be closer, still awful.
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Jan 8, 2017 23:29:51 GMT -5
These votes are biased nothing wrong with this trade. Chuck will veto anything that makes an East contender better
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 9, 2017 1:29:40 GMT -5
If u think this is fair, there's something wrong with you. Go ahead pass it, idc.
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Jan 9, 2017 7:57:47 GMT -5
Prime reason spurs and bulls shouldnt be on tc
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Jan 9, 2017 8:40:55 GMT -5
Looks like a fair trade to me. Couple of 1st rounders for an all star on an expiring contract and a couple of younger players for Korver. I like the deal.
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Post by Grizzlies GM (Royce) on Jan 9, 2017 10:39:51 GMT -5
Really surprised Loren didn't get more, but Millsap will cost a lot of money as soon as next year and Sabonis has a lot of potential. Could easily be a trade that looks bad now, but realistically could look a lot better in the future,which makes it approvable to me.
Approve
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Jan 9, 2017 18:23:35 GMT -5
Objectively then.
The second rounders are pretty worthless to begin with, but they cancel each other out. Personally i think korver is worth more than Sabonis and Olynyk, expiring contract or not, but for arguments' sake I'll call that a draw. Which leaves Millsap for a 2017 first and a 2019 first. In what fucking universe is that a fair trade?
Millsap was a no-brainer first round OVERALL DYNASTY pick despite his age and contract, that's how good and reliable he is. The fact he lasted so long in our draft is only due to the continued overobsession with youth in this league. Sure, he'll have to be resigned... at a price that will be an absolute bargain in comparison to any number of other contracts.
You only get one shot at first round value in a dynasty league, and thunder did damn well nabbing him that late. Two future firsts is a ridiculous underpay for a player of Millsap's caliber, the possibility of this being passed just shows what a wild variance we're already putting on first round picks. I would've happily given three future first rounders and then some to get him before our draft was over... Put another way, i recently got a first round pick in exchange for James Johnson, a goddamn waiver wire pickup, and i think bulls got the best of me on that deal. How can you reconcile passing that, and its implied valuation of first round draft picks, with this? Who here can honestly say they would have given away their first round overall selection for two future firsts, one of which is three years away? If that had been proposed at the time, the involved owners would've been laughed out of the league. What changed?
You simply cannot give up a player with that much value for nothing but future picks... this is exactly how bad teams become unownable nightmares. Sorry, but that's a veto.
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Jan 9, 2017 19:22:16 GMT -5
2nd round picks are not worthless! If that's how you feel, mind as well just give em away for nothin. I could find you a future NBA starter in the 2nd round and I know some of the people in this league who actually scout would find talent.
Anyways because people value their first rounders differently I'm not sure it has a set value, but two guys on expiring deals for a few first round picks and a young guy seems fair, even considering one of them is Millsap. He's gonna cost a lot of money and is on the wrong side of 30. Is our league next year going to have a cap spike?
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 9, 2017 22:42:54 GMT -5
They are all but worthless dumbass ^^. And no offense perk but your new around here bud, its easier to find a 2nd round gem in real life, than here. I completely agree with what Spurs said and I'm looking at the best interest of the league. If you truly believe we are biased and I don't want pistons to get better, your fucking delusional and need to be throat fucked. (yeah you yacob you cunt ass bitch hows minnimum wage going). This trade hurts the balance of the league, bottom line.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies (Luke) on Jan 9, 2017 23:37:50 GMT -5
Set your lineup Yacob..
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Jan 10, 2017 9:17:25 GMT -5
None offense taken although the dumbass wasn't necessary. Why is it harder to find 2nd round talent in this league out of curiosity? Also just because at the beginning of the year I was trying to ship out Draymond, I'm wondering for the teams trying to rebuild how they can effectively cash in for their star players (if this is considered a bad trade)?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Jan 10, 2017 10:48:14 GMT -5
None offense taken although the dumbass wasn't necessary. Why is it harder to find 2nd round talent in this league out of curiosity? Also just because at the beginning of the year I was trying to ship out Draymond, I'm wondering for the teams trying to rebuild how they can effectively cash in for their star players (if this is considered a bad trade)? Second round players can generally be had off the waiver wire for cheaper (usually min contracts) than their real-life contracts after the draft... They also basically never put up any production for at least a couple years, and are generally a waste of roster space with only 12 spots and guys that are actually playing in the waiver pool. Trades are subjective, of course, and I think I already made my position on this one pretty clear. If nothing else I would have given Thunder a much better offer than this if he'd had the patience for me to reply; in fairness, I did go 3 or 4 days without having time to check PM's, and he was messaging me, so a healthy portion of that is my fault. |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Jan 10, 2017 10:51:08 GMT -5
I believe this is still at 2-2, need another vote from someone
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Jan 10, 2017 13:17:53 GMT -5
Who's even on TC? If my vote matters I pass it
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 10, 2017 21:05:54 GMT -5
I'd want caleb's opinion on this, although he is very pass happy. think he should have the final vote on this and we can all respect the decision from there.
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Jan 11, 2017 0:05:51 GMT -5
I'd want caleb's opinion on this, although he is very pass happy. think he should have the final vote on this and we can all respect the decision from there. thats your problem, you look at it as "pass happy" unless its undeniable collusion no reason to throw down a veto imo. let owners run their teams. its LM job to replace em if they cant seem to figure out how to win. And you cant be complaining about how hard it is to trade and then throw down vetos like they kicked your dog or something. |
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 11, 2017 0:37:17 GMT -5
Good logic. what was the problem in our last league? oh yeah too top heavy, u wanna prevent that orrrrrr
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Jan 11, 2017 0:42:46 GMT -5
that was not the reason that league folded. but w.e so you gonna hold everyones hand for the duration of the league? no one will want a team they cant run themselves. truth is you always did this in 25 as well. anyone who threatens chucks team gets a veto and your team isnt even good.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 11, 2017 2:35:03 GMT -5
that was one of the problems the league folded dumbass, we couldnt get people that wanted those teams. u should know first hand as u had the Hawks because your an immature prick who likes to delete his roster and quit. was it fun owning that team? no and no one wanted any of those trash teams, so we had inactive owners. I pass most trades, if i feel it could hurt the league and cripple a team and it's incredibly imbalanced, ill veto (i.e. this trade u cum sponge). plus my team isnt good buddy so why would i feel threatened? im fine if this trade passes, but ill vote on my beliefs and i think it cripples thunder.
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Jan 11, 2017 3:51:35 GMT -5
The good Ole days
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Jan 11, 2017 8:48:47 GMT -5
A cum sponge lmao
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Post by Golden State Warriors (Caleb) on Jan 17, 2017 17:31:03 GMT -5
Hey boys. Posted this like three days, ago looked back, and it wasn't there. My laptop is super shitty.
Anyways, let's get into the trade.
You know always lean towards letting the owners run the team and that's what i am doing here. I think Loren can get more for Millsap. But Millsap is also + will need to be resigned, and so getting two firsts and two guys with some upside is not unreasonable here. I don't think this trade unbalances the league, which is why i will approve. I look forward to the off-season when it is much easier to make trades.
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Post by New York Knicks (Tyler) on Jan 19, 2017 18:55:49 GMT -5
Pass if it matters.
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Post by Golden State Warriors (Caleb) on Feb 23, 2017 20:11:23 GMT -5
Lmao just updating excel, and i honestly am confused how you can be so adamantly against this trade. If you want this vetoed, i actually don't understand how you can tell me you want people to run their own teams. Loren is getting two cheap young pieces one was a lotto this past year, another was a lotto a couple years back. He's also picking up two firsts all for an expiring who will cost a decent amount to resign. Like cmon if we are vetoeing deals like this, deals are going to be hard to come by.
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Feb 24, 2017 16:54:39 GMT -5
Lmao just updating excel, and i honestly am confused how you can be so adamantly against this trade. If you want this vetoed, i actually don't understand how you can tell me you want people to run their own teams. Loren is getting two cheap young pieces one was a lotto this past year, another was a lotto a couple years back. He's also picking up two firsts all for an expiring who will cost a decent amount to resign. Like cmon if we are vetoeing deals like this, deals are going to be hard to come by. about a month late on the rant buddy but i appreciate your input |
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Post by Golden State Warriors (Caleb) on Feb 24, 2017 18:06:17 GMT -5
Lmao just updating excel, and i honestly am confused how you can be so adamantly against this trade. If you want this vetoed, i actually don't understand how you can tell me you want people to run their own teams. Loren is getting two cheap young pieces one was a lotto this past year, another was a lotto a couple years back. He's also picking up two firsts all for an expiring who will cost a decent amount to resign. Like cmon if we are vetoeing deals like this, deals are going to be hard to come by. about a month late on the rant buddy but i appreciate your input Better late than never |
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