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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 19, 2018 17:15:43 GMT -5
Pelicans trade... Garret Temple - 0.75 l 0.75 l 0.75 l 0.75 l 0.75 l UFA
Anžejs Pasečņiks
Clippers trade...
Trevor Ariza - 7.42 l UFA
*Clippers will cover 75% of arizas salary this year = 5.57 mil)*
Win now move.
I accept.
Good dealing Atlanta Hawks (Trey)
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Post by Atlanta Hawks (Trey) on Jan 19, 2018 17:24:27 GMT -5
Some have called Anžejs Pasečņiks the Porzingis light and I am very okay with having this young man on my basketball team. He's going to be a great teammate in the locker room. He will answer the door when Clint Capela tries to create a diversion for other Rockets players and promptly slam that door in Clint's fucking face. He's just that kind of a teammate, a true locker room guy.
As for Ariza, his antics against the Clippers are uncalled for, this trade is strictly a team chemistry move. This man is way too ghetto to be apart of the Clippers organization but he will fit right in with the New Orleans scene.
Accept, good dealing Pels
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NOLA - LAC
Jan 19, 2018 17:35:46 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Grizzlies GM (Royce) on Jan 19, 2018 17:35:46 GMT -5
Veto, Trey needs to trade Ariza but he arguably gets 0 assets in the deal for a solid player.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 19, 2018 17:40:23 GMT -5
Okay trey..... this might be your worst move yet. Your team is going nowhere, you need to get rid of players, I get it. but like Ariza is a solid 23-25 fpg scorer thats gonna play big mins the rest of the season.
you got Garrett Temple, who is legit droppable and imo nothing thats gonna help you. 0 value.
you got this prospect... who i mean who knows when hes gonna come to the league? how much value does he carry? about none. You could've got firsts for Ariza or should've shot for players you can use next year.
To me your giving a valuable piece away for nothing... veto.
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 19, 2018 18:13:49 GMT -5
Veto, Trey needs to trade Ariza but he arguably gets 0 assets in the deal for a solid player. Rich.... A little reminder: Mavericks receive: JJ Barea - $3.9M, $3.71M Pacers receive: 2018 2nd (ATL) 2018 2nd (DAL) |
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Post by Atlanta Hawks (Trey) on Jan 19, 2018 18:17:36 GMT -5
you let Mavs literally bend over Pacers and take a 22ppg player under contract for this and NEXT season for only 3 million. for legitimately picks 45 and 55. Not even a blink of an eye at it. Now I get a legitimate prospect and give away maybe 4 weeks for Ariza.
You guys are straight up lazy as fuck.
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NOLA - LAC
Jan 19, 2018 19:14:18 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Grizzlies GM (Royce) on Jan 19, 2018 19:14:18 GMT -5
Veto, Trey needs to trade Ariza but he arguably gets 0 assets in the deal for a solid player. Rich.... A little reminder: Mavericks receive: JJ Barea - $3.9M, $3.71M Pacers receive: 2018 2nd (ATL) 2018 2nd (DAL) Those are bigger assets than what I think trey received. I wouldn't veto if I thought he was a legit prospect. |
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 19, 2018 19:17:17 GMT -5
Rich.... A little reminder: Mavericks receive: JJ Barea - $3.9M, $3.71M Pacers receive: 2018 2nd (ATL) 2018 2nd (DAL) Those are bigger assets than what I think trey received. I wouldn't veto if I thought he was a legit prospect. I strongly disagree, he was picked first round in here and IRL, Sixers believe in him (which is why they traded up for him). (and almost all mock drafts had him going in the 20-25 range, so clearly a lot of draft experts believe he is first round quality) |
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 19, 2018 20:59:48 GMT -5
Lmfao trey. We're lazy? says the guy who traded Ariza for a bucket of potatoes instead of looking around for better deals. its hilarious that your sticking up for this deal. it's like you enjoy getting shafted, hard.
n personally I don't think much of Barea. yeah hes been decent this year but he aint no lock to score 20 per next year. As smith gets better and lil curry gets healthy.
I also think the "prospect" you got won't make an impact in the league for awhile, if he ever makes one.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 19, 2018 21:04:00 GMT -5
This deals an easy fix. Have pelicans add one of his 50 firsts. you should have demanded a 1st in the first place.
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 19, 2018 21:45:37 GMT -5
Lmfao trey. We're lazy? says the guy who traded Ariza for a bucket of potatoes instead of looking around for better deals. its hilarious that your sticking up for this deal. it's like you enjoy getting shafted, hard. n personally I don't think much of Barea. yeah hes been decent this year but he aint no lock to score 20 per next year. As smith gets better and lil curry gets healthy. I also think the "prospect" you got won't make an impact in the league for awhile, if he ever makes one. 1. Think of barrea all you want, but he is producing as much as ariza and has a better contract (since he is under deal next year too) 2. But you think pick 45 and 55 are gonna make big impacts? I feel like either both of those deals deserve to be vetoed or neither, but as it stands this TC is not consistent. |
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 19, 2018 21:48:10 GMT -5
This deals an easy fix. Have pelicans add one of his 50 firsts. you should have demanded a 1st in the first place. Anžejs Pasečņiks is a first doe!!!! as stated before, he was picked at 25 or something IRL, multiple mock drafts had him in that range and higher, nobody flamed 76ers for their pick, but suddenly in here he is trash just bc you havent even looked into him, but read some weird european name and thought to yourself: "what is this? A European playing basketball? He must be trash..." |
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 20, 2018 1:19:54 GMT -5
Your right!!! thats exactly what i thought! europeans cant play basketball? some stupid ass shit bruh.
1. hes not a 1st rounder to me, ive looked into him and dont think highly of him.
2. a 2018 1st holds more value than him in this league doe as it stands. doe.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks (Trey) on Jan 20, 2018 11:08:39 GMT -5
What is the final consensus on this deal. I would like to trade Ariza while his 8 more days of use still hold value.
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 20, 2018 11:22:02 GMT -5
The deal is still up for voting, 3 vetos or apvs are needed for a final decision
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 20, 2018 11:32:17 GMT -5
Your right!!! thats exactly what i thought! europeans cant play basketball? some stupid ass shit bruh. 1. hes not a 1st rounder to me, ive looked into him and dont think highly of him. 2. a 2018 1st holds more value than him in this league doe as it stands. doe. Right, and because you think that your opinion is worth more than two nba teams and their PROFESSIONAL scouts (magic, who picked him, and 76ers, who traded up for him) and numerous draft experts (see: espn mock drafts, the ringer, draftexpress, and what not), we should not be able to do the deal? Thats some bs |
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Jan 20, 2018 13:20:03 GMT -5
Not the biggest fan of the move here but there is no way this should be vetoed. Just my thoughts but Perk ain't on the trade committee.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Jan 20, 2018 13:29:24 GMT -5
Veto, sorry. Honestly thought the barea deal was almost a veto too, but this is worse... Ariza is better and more consistent than barea, with a solid starting role, while barea often goes through periods of barely playing.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 20, 2018 13:42:50 GMT -5
Your right!!! thats exactly what i thought! europeans cant play basketball? some stupid ass shit bruh. 1. hes not a 1st rounder to me, ive looked into him and dont think highly of him. 2. a 2018 1st holds more value than him in this league doe as it stands. doe. Right, and because you think that your opinion is worth more than two nba teams and their PROFESSIONAL scouts (magic, who picked him, and 76ers, who traded up for him) and numerous draft experts (see: espn mock drafts, the ringer, draftexpress, and what not), we should not be able to do the deal? Thats some bs Yeah because pro scouts are never wrong.... cmon buddy lmao. There's a difference between FANTASY value and REAL LIFE value. He has minimal to no fantasy value and the only reason he has some is because this is a dynasty. Also it's not just my opinion, everyone else has vetoed you have 0 approves. weird.. |
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 20, 2018 14:09:20 GMT -5
Right, and because you think that your opinion is worth more than two nba teams and their PROFESSIONAL scouts (magic, who picked him, and 76ers, who traded up for him) and numerous draft experts (see: espn mock drafts, the ringer, draftexpress, and what not), we should not be able to do the deal? Thats some bs Yeah because pro scouts are never wrong.... cmon buddy lmao. There's a difference between FANTASY value and REAL LIFE value. He has minimal to no fantasy value and the only reason he has some is because this is a dynasty. Also it's not just my opinion, everyone else has vetoed you have 0 approves. weird.. Im not saying they are never wrong, but that at this point neither of us will know what happens to him and how valuable he can be, so thus i would rather trust the opinion of a scout than you. Besides, your job as TC isnt to find deals that you d do as well, but check wether or not that deal could make sense. Just bc you dont like a particular player doesnt mean nobody gets to like that player, especially when you got some people disagreeing with you. And as far as i can tell Perk, me, nets and clips are saying its not vetoable vs spurs, mavs, and you (three contenders scared of seeing another contender get better) |
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 20, 2018 14:10:41 GMT -5
Veto, sorry. Honestly thought the barea deal was almost a veto too, but this is worse... Ariza is better and more consistent than barea, with a solid starting role, while barea often goes through periods of barely playing. Sent from my Pixel using proboards Barrea is on a cheap two year deal tho, and from my opinion paseniks is worth more than two mid to late 2nds Its 1 year of barrea vs 5 weeks of ariza... |
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 20, 2018 18:32:46 GMT -5
Yeah because pro scouts are never wrong.... cmon buddy lmao. There's a difference between FANTASY value and REAL LIFE value. He has minimal to no fantasy value and the only reason he has some is because this is a dynasty. Also it's not just my opinion, everyone else has vetoed you have 0 approves. weird.. Im not saying they are never wrong, but that at this point neither of us will know what happens to him and how valuable he can be, so thus i would rather trust the opinion of a scout than you. Besides, your job as TC isnt to find deals that you d do as well, but check wether or not that deal could make sense. Just bc you dont like a particular player doesnt mean nobody gets to like that player, especially when you got some people disagreeing with you. And as far as i can tell Perk, me, nets and clips are saying its not vetoable vs spurs, mavs, and you (three contenders scared of seeing another contender get better) "How valuable he can be" By that logic, everyone's valued cmon bruh. There are also scouts that think this prospect is trash, do you trust their opinion or have you even listened to them? And to me the job of a TC is to veto any trades detrimental to a team. We don't want repeats of what happened in 25 where teams literally had 0 value on their teams. To me, this cripples Trey and nets him 0 value for a solid player. and imo saying let trey run his own team is not a good idea at this point. i love the guy, it's just sad how he still makes deals like this. |
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Jan 20, 2018 18:42:55 GMT -5
Im not saying they are never wrong, but that at this point neither of us will know what happens to him and how valuable he can be, so thus i would rather trust the opinion of a scout than you. Besides, your job as TC isnt to find deals that you d do as well, but check wether or not that deal could make sense. Just bc you dont like a particular player doesnt mean nobody gets to like that player, especially when you got some people disagreeing with you. And as far as i can tell Perk, me, nets and clips are saying its not vetoable vs spurs, mavs, and you (three contenders scared of seeing another contender get better) "How valuable he can be" By that logic, everyone's valued cmon bruh. There are also scouts that think this prospect is trash, do you trust their opinion or have you even listened to them? And to me the job of a TC is to veto any trades detrimental to a team. We don't want repeats of what happened in 25 where teams literally had 0 value on their teams. To me, this cripples Trey and nets him 0 value for a solid player. and imo saying let trey run his own team is not a good idea at this point. i love the guy, it's just sad how he still makes deals like this. 1. I dont trust neither scouts opinion completely, but when the consensus amongst nba people is that he is an 1st round prospect (albeit a late one), then it is atleast a justifiable belief that he is a 1st rounder. 2. if it’s justifiable that he is a 1st round prospect then the price is more than fair for a 4 week rental. 3. if you veto any trade that is detrimental to a team how come you didnt veto dallas deal with pacers? 4. I just find it arrogant of you to claim that you know so much more about basketball than trey that you get to call the shots for his team, when we all know fair and well that a lot of deals people claimed to be rape 5 months ago now are flipped entirely to the other said. Point is, none of us knows what is really gonna happen, but if a deal is justifiable to a reasonable extent, both teams are aware of all rules (aka their are not new), and no collusion is apparent, then imo ya ll shouldnt veto. Im not saying its obvious pasekniks will be the next big thing nor am i acting like everybody says so, im just saying that based on consensus opinions and experts its reasonable to believe that he is a 1st round prospect, whether or not im particularly high on someone or not. |
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Jan 20, 2018 19:33:08 GMT -5
Its not arrogant to claim that I know more than Trey, he has a bad track record of getting raped for what, 8 years now?
voting on a deal is not calling shots for his team whatsoever either. a blind squirrel could figure out this is a bad deal. this isn't just a "four" week rental either, you could flip Ariza for a fuck ton more than this and you know it. it's about value and Ariza add's a solid amount to your team w/o giving anything.
i dont think Barea is a lock for minutes and he fluctuates. This deal is considerably worse.
you keep trying to compare this euro to a 1st rounder, maybe IRL. do you think you could trade him for a 1st round pick next year here? Guarantee 90% of the league would turn you down.
Add a 1st and it's still a bad deal for Trey, but passable.
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