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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 1, 2017 12:09:12 GMT -5
Found this to be an interesting read... Why hasn't China produced more NBA talent? www.thescore.com/news/1362618(via thesco.re/theScore_app ) Thoughts, John? Are you there? No? Not until there's like five minutes left on that free agent I've been waiting to sneak past everyone else? I know you'll be there when i need you. Not. Fucking hate that guy. JK, but not really. Sent from my Pixel using proboards |
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Sept 1, 2017 13:12:08 GMT -5
I think John quit cuz he knocked a bitch up
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Sept 1, 2017 14:00:12 GMT -5
Yall know Yao was like engineered and made to play in the NBA, like it wasn't a natural birth or anything
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Sept 1, 2017 14:02:34 GMT -5
That's a great read, but it also dodges the main concern for me, which is Chinese players are just not as good. The lack of athleticism in the CBA has to pointed to. I mean, the teams are only allowed up to 3 import players (2 Americans is the max) and that is due to the Chinese basketball league being afraid that all the NBA's D-league and some of the Euro-league players would come over and physically outmatch the Chinese players. If you don't think that's a big deal, it is a VERY big deal to China. The tall players are usually too thin to have much impact in the NBA, but there are certainly exceptions and some notable players are coming over.
To reiterate, that article makes a good point that the chinese players can stay in the CBA and make about $1,000,000 a season to play 20 minutes a game or so, but to suggest that it is the reason why "more chinese players aren't in the NBA" is glossing over the issue of athleticism. Certainly also a cultural and language barrier in a different country so that's also an underlying issue.
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Sept 1, 2017 15:22:03 GMT -5
I'll check that out but I've always been under the impression that it comes down to a matter of philosophy.
Chinese players train as a team, they all work on basically the same shit no matter what. They don't individualize it, which hurts development. That's why the only legit NBA prospects that are native to China are 9 feet tall and not guards. Chinese guards who grew up and spent their whole lives playing over there have absolutely no shot whatsoever at keeping up with the guards from America and Europe.
If training gets better over there, you'll see a ton of guys come over.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Sept 1, 2017 16:20:26 GMT -5
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 1, 2017 17:15:45 GMT -5
The money stuff was what i really found enlightening. Yi was (is?) a tantalizing cross-over player, nice to get a realistic explanation as to why it never happened.
As for the rest of it, the Chinese are basically measuring stats and waiting for the perfect Yahtzee, while at the same time discouraging home grown talent if it doesn't fit some sort of projected growth curve or something... At least that's the best we can glean from American journalism of CBA. Was kind of hoping for a more informed, less "Go 'Murica!" stance from John.
But i suppose that'll have to wait until there's thirty seconds left on the clock for my next favorite FA.
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Sept 1, 2017 17:16:35 GMT -5
I'm always weary of sources and would look into that more....but fuck it, interesting read nonetheless. |
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Sept 1, 2017 17:23:32 GMT -5
The money stuff was what i really found enlightening. Yi was (is?) a tantalizing cross-over player, nice to get a realistic explanation as to why it never happened. As for the rest of it, the Chinese are basically measuring stats and waiting for the perfect Yahtzee, while at the same time discouraging home grown talent if it doesn't fit some sort of projected growth curve or something... At least that's the best we can glean from American journalism of CBA. Was kind of hoping for a more informed, less "Go 'Murica!" stance from John. But i suppose that'll have to wait until there's thirty seconds left on the clock for my next favorite FA. Sent from my Pixel using proboards That article you linked is also very, very interesting. So their way of looking at it is you either go over to America to actually contribute and make heinous amounts of money to bring back to China, or you stay in China and help them sell tickets so they can make heinous amounts of money either way. They did sort of touch on the training aspect that I was always told...although not as much as i'd have liked to hear about. Whether people want to admit it or not, American basketball players have WAY better genes than literally anywhere on Earth and it's not even close. I'm sorry but Russell Westbrook will never be born in Croatia, that's why training is absolutely paramount. Everyone else around the world will get eaten over here unless they have profound physical gifts or dizzying skills that break the laws of physics. It's how it'll always be. The reasons for our incredible athletes are something that none of us want to talk about, but it's reality. |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 1, 2017 18:32:10 GMT -5
The money stuff was what i really found enlightening. Yi was (is?) a tantalizing cross-over player, nice to get a realistic explanation as to why it never happened. As for the rest of it, the Chinese are basically measuring stats and waiting for the perfect Yahtzee, while at the same time discouraging home grown talent if it doesn't fit some sort of projected growth curve or something... At least that's the best we can glean from American journalism of CBA. Was kind of hoping for a more informed, less "Go 'Murica!" stance from John. But i suppose that'll have to wait until there's thirty seconds left on the clock for my next favorite FA. Sent from my Pixel using proboards That article you linked is also very, very interesting. So their way of looking at it is you either go over to America to actually contribute and make heinous amounts of money to bring back to China, or you stay in China and help them sell tickets so they can make heinous amounts of money either way. They did sort of touch on the training aspect that I was always told...although not as much as i'd have liked to hear about. Whether people want to admit it or not, American basketball players have WAY better genes than literally anywhere on Earth and it's not even close. I'm sorry but Russell Westbrook will never be born in Croatia, that's why training is absolutely paramount. Everyone else around the world will get eaten over here unless they have profound physical gifts or dizzying skills that break the laws of physics. It's how it'll always be. The reasons for our incredible athletes are something that none of us want to talk about, but it's reality. Appreciate the well thought out response, but I respectfully disagree... Statistically speaking, the number of bona fide contributors from North American roots is actually lacking. There's a far greater percentage of foreign born players actively contributing than can be accounted for, given the global proliferation of the NBA and it's popularity, etc. In other words, NBA is way more popular here than anywhere else (except maybe China, which is why i found the root article interesting in the first place), and given our massive population and exposure, there isn't a good explanation for why so many of the best players are from overseas. Basketball is quickly becoming more popular worldwide, and it's about goddamn time, but there's still a gap. Your point about training, and it's increased availability if you happen to be born in the states, is well made - but only serves to further illustrate the discrepancy. I would be inclined to argue that, given even close to similar opportunities, foreign players would have an even more dominant influence on the league. And that's quite interesting, to me at least. Sent from my Pixel using proboards |
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Sept 1, 2017 19:25:05 GMT -5
Statistically speaking, the number of bona fide contributors from North American roots is actually lacking. There's a far greater percentage of foreign born players actively contributing than can be accounted for I'm strictly talking about the guys who make it to the league. It's impossible for us to speculate on what *might* be if _this_ guy grew up here etc. Statistically, America isn't even close to Croatia and a couple other small countries in Europe when it comes to producing professional talent around the world per capita. It's kind of insane how good they are. But my point remains; Russell Westbrook would never be born there. In other words, NBA is way more popular here than anywhere else (except maybe China, which is why i found the root article interesting in the first place), and given our massive population and exposure Compared to....who? Our population isn't massive. We have exposure to it because it's in our backyard. there isn't a good explanation for why so many of the best players are from overseas. About 70% of players in the NBA are American. 30% are from everywhere else in the world. I think it's kind of a stretch to say "so many of the BEST players" when 7 out of every 10 dudes in the league are domestic. I would be inclined to argue that, given even close to similar opportunities, foreign players would have an even more dominant influence on the league. That's a nice feely goody thing to say....but it's not the case. We are just really good at this shit. Genes, training, facilities, everything. The number of foriegn players in the league is still sadly quite low, but in 10-20 years I'd be willing to be we see that get closer to 50/50. Americans for some reason feel guilty being better, you seem to be one of those who give everyone else way too much credit for participating. |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 1, 2017 20:08:22 GMT -5
Perhaps, i suppose everything is a matter of perspective to some extent. As to the numbers of what i meant:
300 million people (a conservative estimate, but for reference's sake) who are exposed to basketball from an early age, to a far greater extent than anywhere else in the world (again, excepting China, because i don't really understand anything the fuck about that place or what is going on there; in any event, it's all quite recent and not really pertinent to this discussion, so shove the China shit for now), and then are given the means (in terms of financial considerations, facilities, equipment, not to mention time, as in not having to walk miles for water or work in a Target factory for 5ยข/hour or spend 10+ hours/day on the family farm) to develop that love/knowledge, and then are given the encouragement to continue in that pursuit, and then choose to continue in that pursuit, and then are provided with knowledgeable leaders who can help them further that pursuit and foster their growth and development within the realm of that pursuit.... I mean, i could keep up with this shit all day. We win the fucking SuperLotto just by being born in the US, and it's kind of disgusting that we don't recognize it. Imagine if LeBron James had been born in fucking Chile or some shit; we'd almost certainly have never heard of him, if we did it'd be as that one really tall, oddly dark trail guide who fell off a clifff on YouTube, and if it so happened to be sports related it'd be soccer.
No one else in the world has even a close semblance of the opportunity to become basketball ready that Americans do, and of those maybe 5-10% of lucky individuals that do get that chance, 99% of them don't give a shit about basketball next to soccer - or maybe hockey or cricket, if we're counting small Scandinavian groups and large Indian ones.
Given those odds, we should expect the NBA to be overwhelmingly American... But it's not. You're as capable as me of listing how many top players are foreign born, and it's relatively simple math to see that the two do not add up; even the approximations that you quoted bear this out.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 1, 2017 20:37:45 GMT -5
Some of this, perhaps a lot, can be explained just by people's sheer height catching attention... Which is all part of the reason why I'm so intrigued by China, with it's 1.whatever billion people and it's strict measuring and profiling, and yet the corresponding lack of Chinese players.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder (Loren) on Sept 3, 2017 13:33:52 GMT -5
Imagine if LeBron James had been born in fucking Chile or some shit; viva la roja you asshole |
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