Pacers & Wizards

[Indiana Pacers (Jon)]

Pacers trade:
Tre Jones (.36 m paid this year) 14.13 14.13 14.13 14.13 14.13 UFA

Wizards trade:
Montrezl Harrell 13.5 UFA
Ricky Rubio 12 12 12 12 UFA
WSH 2025 1st (Top 5 Protected) If top 5, IND rights to swap with IND 2025 1st


First trade shouldn't have been vetoed, that is bullshit. Votes are becoming too subjective when there are extremely similar trades that are being passed with no questions asked.

Also, what is the point of having more than 5 members on the TC if it still only takes 3 votes to pass/veto a trade. No shit Bulls and Heat get on to instant veto with no explanation. It leaves 3+ other TC members who don't get to vote or even see the trade.

The protections are in place now to cover Wiz if everything goes wrong and I take 2 salary dumps. Also swapped to a "weaker" draft class.

Drop Harrell & Rubio.

Hopefully Adolf Heat can take off his dickhead glasses for fucking once.


**Drop Omer Yurtseven

[Washington Wizards (octstuff)]

Accept:

Can hear lamentation and outrage already. First of all Tre is 23 y old average 27 fpts, is he risky ? Probably yes but he can easy be 30 plus player. I am not only getting good player but also my pick is protected. If my team sucks i will be compensated with 1st same year. Get rid of long term bad injury prone Rubio's contract is huge bonus. Having some roster space and $13M cap i can go and spoil some FA party out there.

Now towarisci, towarzysze, citizens Adolf, Josef and Vladimir and some other can vote.

Ps. I will not quit, no restart, sleep well.

[Heat GM (Bryan)]

Veto.
Don’t believe the wizards are doing their franchise any favors by making moves like this.

The pick protection here feels like a sham as a top 5 pick ends with the pacers anyways.

Tre Jones isn’t a star and yeah he scored on a bad team but that team is getting loaded up with talent and are we even sure tre jones will be starting there next year? I am not.

[Washington Wizards (octstuff)]

Who cares about your personal opinion about player A or B ? You should never be in TC if you cant be objective. None should count your vote Josef ( i doubt you know what i am saying ).

[New York Knicks (jsood)]

Approve. Same reasoning as last time and this seems to be better for wiz bc of the salary dump.

[Chicago Bulls (Charlie)]

"First trade shouldn't have been vetoed, that is bullshit. Votes are becoming too subjective when there are extremely similar trades that are being passed with no questions asked."

That is load of shit. This situation is unprecedented, Wizards is currently the worst team in the league, we have never seen a top 4 worst team try so fucking hard to trade their own pick before. This isn't subjective at all, I feel the trade upsets the competitive balance of the league and fucks the Wizards beyond repair. I think I vetoed once years ago buddy(I don't veto often), get that fucking shit off my screen dumbass.

"The protections are in place now to cover Wiz if everything goes wrong and I take 2 salary dumps. Also swapped to a "weaker" draft class."
The protection isn't even a pick protection. A NORMAL pick protection would be if top 5, Wizards keeps the pick. But no bro, you're just going to give him a teens pick at best, could be worse, who knows. Do you know how valuable a top 5 pick is? They never get traded, for good reason. Salary dumps? SALARY DUMPS?!?!?! Are u fucking dense? The cut rules here are laughable. 50% the current year and then 25% and ur good! U chop Rubio's contract in HALF, you don't even have to worry about it being a 4 year deal. Trez is expiring. You trying to spin taking on 2 salary dumps and giving him ur pick as some act of God is fucking terrible. It's nothing compared to losing the chance at having a top 5 pick. On the "weaker draft class" point, I don't give a fuck what draft class the pick is from, it's a top pick! Wizards could have a chance at a real cornerstone. It's more about the process, the fact that Wizards is the worst team in the league right now and is trying to give his future picks away, is a problem. Any top 5 pick is valuable, stop acting like changing the year does anything meaningful. Add a real prospect or someone else of value. Taking on 2 salary dumps that you'll barely notice and changing the year/giving him a pick if it's top 5 is dogshit. Give him an actual 1st, because if the pick is 6, HE GETS NOTHING. JOKE.

I gave a fucking explanation on your last trade too fuckhead. I kept my thoughts to the chat and then explained it once asked. Please see below-
"His 2026 1st is his best asset and that pick needs to stay on his roster unless he's moving it for a cornerstone piece. I don't want to have to restart because Wizards is beyond repair, and if this trade is allowed, I believe his team could be toast for even longer than it already is."

That has not changed. The trade has not changed in a meaningful way. Tre Jones got 10mil a year for 2 years irl. All the talk is about the Spurs needing to upgrade the PG spot. He is not a long term answer at PG, the points argument is a fucking joke. He's a good backup. Putting up fantasy stats on a team trying to lose is the biggest red flag in fantasy sports. Wizards is not even close to competing for the fucking 8 seed and I will keep vetoing if the trade does not change in a meaningful way.

Also bro, Caleb told me you think this is personal and ur being targeted. I don't give a fuck who is trading for Wizards picks, I will veto. I told your boy sood that weeks ago so you can ask him. I do not give a fuck that it's you trading for the pick, my post here could be construed as personal but it's more of me just being angry that you actually believe I'm targeting you.

[Chicago Bulls (Charlie)]

Veto.

[Orlando Magic GM (Sarge)]

I approve. I really don’t think a trade should be veto’d unless the GM is intentionally not giving a shit or trying to destroy his team for whatever reason. I think Octy really just likes tre jones and is willing to take a risk on his 2026 first. Do I think with this will end up working out for octo? No. Is there a pathway that it actually could be a neutral trade? Sure.

Look it’s not a smart trade by any means for octopus but at the end of the day it shouldn’t be vetoed if he is staying in this league for the long run.

[Blazers GM (Tyler)]

Approve.

Personally I’d only veto in dire circumstances & this just isn’t that in my opinion.

Tre Jones isn’t the type of player I would’ve targeted with that pick, but if Octy believes in him long-term and is willing to sacrifice that future pick then so be it. I don’t think he traded the pick for some scrub—there are definitely avenues in which Tre could stay at or near his level last year in future years.

Not likely to happen..but also not worth a veto.

Octy has made deep playoff runs in here for multiple years (albeit with a unique strategy)—in my opinion he clearly is knowledgeable about the game. Who am I to stop him from attempting to compete if he believes it’s a possibility with the assets he has on hand. I don’t think he is making this move with the intention of leaving the league.

He still has picks available, a couple of young players & now has more cap space than he did before. Let’s see what you can do with it, Wiz

[Milwaukee Bucks (Jacob)]

Approve

[Washington Wizards (octstuff)]

Bulls shup up and go to a forest, to a lake, play freaking Mahjong, just relax. If girl dumped you let's talk about it. I dont know what is wrong with you but you got serious anger problem, you also acting like know shit while winning shit. I know people who talk alot, meeting them on the court all the time, they never talk after the game. You probably same. You are asking Pacers to give me Tre, to take negative contracts and cap for NOTHING. You are worried about me, Pacers or who ? Again the best medicine is Jesus my Brother but for you i recommend Yoga or some Medical Hemp for a start.

[San Antonio Spurs (Chris)]

Pass. Just don't think it's a veto based on the merits of this trade alone, would've vetoed the previous one but this is better. Still a terrible trade for wiz - definitely don't get why he's so adamant about it - but I don't feel that this trade by itself ruins his team permanently, he's only losing one valuable asset and IMO Tre will be 20+ even if he ends up in a reserve role. Y'all are also being excessively hard on the kid, he's a very efficient, no mistakes steadying on the floor kinda guy, and that's always been the type of PG that will get minutes for Pop. Yeah his upside is limited, but his floor is really high too. Spurs ain't gonna trade for another PG unless it's a good trade on overall value as well, I think they're perfectly content with Tre as the starter for the foreseeable future.

And hey, wiz has Orlando, who's looking really good and will probably get a lot more minutes this year... Plus the whole situation was shitty for pacers, that's not a valid reason for making a pass/veto decision and didn't factor into my vote here, but it does matter.

[Grizzlies GM (Royce)]

Jul 14, 2023 17:57:50 GMT -5 Indiana Pacers (Jon) said:

Pacers trade:
Tre Jones (1m paid this year) 14.13 14.13 14.13 14.13 14.13 UFA

Wizards trade:
Montrezl Harrell 13.5 UFA
Ricky Rubio 12 12 12 12 UFA
WSH 2025 1st (Top 5 Protected) If top 5, IND rights to swap with IND 2025 1st


First trade shouldn't have been vetoed, that is bullshit. Votes are becoming too subjective when there are extremely similar trades that are being passed with no questions asked.

Also, what is the point of having more than 5 members on the TC if it still only takes 3 votes to pass/veto a trade. No shit Bulls and Heat get on to instant veto with no explanation. It leaves 3+ other TC members who don't get to vote or even see the trade.

The protections are in place now to cover Wiz if everything goes wrong and I take 2 salary dumps. Also swapped to a "weaker" draft class.

Drop Harrell & Rubio.

Hopefully Adolf Heat can take off his dickhead glasses for fucking once.

Indiana Pacers (Jon)
Washington Wizards (octstuff)

Can we get clarification on what the protections are on the pick? What happens if the Wizards pick is top 5?

Also, Pacers needs to drop a player to be able to do this deal. Can't go over the roster limit and cap with the deal and drop players acquired in the deal to get back under. 

[Washington Wizards (octstuff)]

If my pick is top5 i got Ind 2025 1st as a compensation.

[Golden State Warriors (Caleb)]

I have spoken to Indiana Pacers (Jon) on the phone. He has a busy day. He will drop Yurt to make roster space. Jho will only cover .36 M on Tre Jones. I'll edit original post. clock restarts on all Pacers bids as he now has the cap.