Mavs & Cavs

[Dallas Mavs (Kyle)]

Mavs Trade:
Isaac Okoro 7.04 / 8.92
Ignas Brazdeikis .25 / .25 / .25 / .25
RJ Hampton 2.41 / 4.22
BKN 2023 1
Juhann Begarin contract is 2021 pick 44 slot value when brought to USA

Cavs Trade:
Khris Middleton 9.04*
*8mil paid on Middleton

Mavs accept. I really like a lot of the things I'm giving up but I need to consolidate a bit and raise my ceiling. Gives me a second re-sign option as a hedge for Hunter's development. Good dealing as always Cavs. Will be a quieter Okoro fan from afar now to the pleasure of most of the discord I assume.

[Cleveland Cavaliers (Jon)]

Cavs approve. Always a pleasure and thanks for sticking it out. I will take the Okoro praise wagon and turn it up a notch.

[Heat GM (Bryan)]

Veto.
After having sat on this trade for a bit and letting it sink in, I can’t for my good concinence approve this trade.
Okoro is the central piece int his trade, having just been benched towards the end of the year his value has only dropped in my mind. It wasn’t even high to begin with.
Brooklyn 1st next year is very best case pick 10-14 and likely not even that.

The other assets, if you are in love with them and their potential, bring this trade closer.
Then you add in the amount paid on Middleton and this trade is proposterous.
As usually I’m sure I’ll get some critics for vetoing but I just can’t see it at this moment. Sorry.

[Cleveland Cavaliers (Jon)]

People will want to hear my reasoning. So this was my reasoning. I had my guys, outside of Jokic on the block for a few weeks. I did receive a few offers. I wasnt crazy about most. A few I did go back and forth on. Middleton was the one I was asked the most about. I thought I had a deal for Trae Young but then I was told whats the rush and that fizzled. I had another involving IQ and a 2nd, which wasnt bad but I didnt feel it was best for what I wanted to do. I was offered Cody Kispert. Royce didnt want to part with anyone of note, which is his right. He has some nice young players. Sood offered to talk Cole Anthony till he realized Midds was expiring and asked for 2 1st's with Midds for Cole. Nuggets asked about Midds and Wiggins and gave me a list. I replied and he never did.

What im saying is I did my due diligence. Kyle and I talked a multitude of players. Different types of deals. The coverage was always on the table with his cap situation. I was fine with that. But we went back and forth and this is what we came up with. Depth killed me last year and I felt getting a couple of players who play and a couple lottery tickets was the best of all the options listed above.

I know I joked around but I will respect what the decision is. Veto and we will figure something else out. It really does not matter to me either way.

[New York Knicks (jsood)]

Approve. Don't get it from any angle for Cavs, and it feels like a desperation sell barely a couple weeks into a long offseason. I don't even know if any of those guys Cavs get ever get to 20 a game and it's really just Hampton + Okoro + BKN 2023 1st(Who had pick 26 this year). On top of it all he pays off almost half of the salary for Khris and ends up gaining cap in the deal. Unless both Hampton and Okoro turn into decent contributors, this is as close it comes to a guaranteed L in my mind.

Buttttt at the same time, I understand the aspect of letting people run their own teams and Cavs does get a lot of small contracts that could work out into decent depth at some point. Khris is expiring and theres a small chance that his extension might not be worth it (Very Low).

[Blazers GM (Tyler)]

Approve.

This is a win for the Mavericks in the moment, but this is a deal I'm curious to look back on in a couple of years. Middleton has an upcoming re-sign next off-season and is maxed out as a 30-32/gm guy in our league. I don't exactly love the pieces that Cavs got back in return, but I like the general concept of buying a couple lottery tickets and seeing how it pans out. I would've asked for one of the more stable young guys like OO, Stew or Mann, but I digress.

I understand the instant shockwaves that makes this deal look atrocious for Jon, but I'm going to wait and see. This move offers Cavs some more flexibility and additional pieces to move, should he choose to do so. But this is clearly a sign of an impending rebuild in Cleveland. I'm looking forward to the seeing the returns he gets on Jokic + LeBron.

[San Antonio Spurs (Chris)]

Pass. I actually don't mind this for Cavs, sure Middleton is the best guy in the deal, but by the start of next season he's gonna be 32 y/o and in an expensive resign, for what, maybe 2-3 years of ~30 FPPG... Good time to sell high IMO. Okoro is nice, already has a large role, and has looked better each year; don't put much value on any of the other players, but think that pick is getting undervalued a bit, likely to be a stacked draft class next year, then you've got both Luka and KD getting the frequent superstar mild injuries meaning weeks at a time off, plus I expect Capela to continue seeing his role reduced... IDK, at a glance it seems like not much for Khris, and it is a bit risky, but I think it could turn out quite well for Cavs.

That said, your reasoning is pretty trash mate; shouldn't take a deal you think you're losing just because no one else is offering anything better

[Chicago Bulls (Charlie)]

APV.

As someone who has extensive experience trading 30 yr old capped out producers - it's hell. Middleton will be solid for the next 4-5 years, don't really have concerns, not like his game relies on a ton of explosion. I definitely like it for Mavs as he pushes towards competing, but this isn't terrible for Cavs. Former top 5 pick who can probably hover around 20-25 in here once he figures it out and another 1st is fair.

[Cleveland Cavaliers (Jon)]

Apr 25, 2022 20:02:57 GMT -5 San Antonio Spurs (Chris) said:

Pass. I actually don't mind this for Cavs, sure Middleton is the best guy in the deal, but by the start of next season he's gonna be 32 y/o and in an expensive resign, for what, maybe 2-3 years of ~30 FPPG... Good time to sell high IMO. Okoro is nice, already has a large role, and has looked better each year; don't put much value on any of the other players, but think that pick is getting undervalued a bit, likely to be a stacked draft class next year, then you've got both Luka and KD getting the frequent superstar mild injuries meaning weeks at a time off, plus I expect Capela to continue seeing his role reduced... IDK, at a glance it seems like not much for Khris, and it is a bit risky, but I think it could turn out quite well for Cavs.

That said, your reasoning is pretty trash mate; shouldn't take a deal you think you're losing just because no one else is offering anything better

I didn’t think I was losing. But with the offers or lack there of, the market on Middleton wasn’t great. Most of the responses were he’s on a 1 year deal. For me it’s Okoro and the pick. Maybe Juhann comes over. Maybe Hampton and Ignas give me some depth. I wasn’t planning my to resign Midds after the season so I took what I could get.

[Milwaukee Bucks (Jacob)]

Approve