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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 7, 2016 12:07:13 GMT -5
Everyone here, and apparently the majority of this year's rookie class as well, seems to think he's the bee's knees, and I can't figure out why. I don't mean this to be a sarcastic thread, or an attempt to inflate activity like the Manu thread (even though I was dead fucking right about that, y'all just can't see the facts behind the glaring light of who the media has told you shines brightest), I legitimately want to hear people's views and opinions here in an attempt to increase my own understanding; I promise I will do my best not to mock or belittle anyone who responds.
I'll give my reasons for not liking him once I've gained a more thorough understanding of the thought process behind his perceived value, but please help me see where you're coming from... I just really don't get it.
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Sept 7, 2016 13:48:35 GMT -5
I can offer a tidbit I believe adds to his perceived value. A player of that height who can handle the ball usually gets people wet. I think he'll have a good career from what I've seen, but I still am not completely sold that he was the best addition to the Timberwolves. I know people are high on Rubio but if T-Wolves drafted Dunn, I think Rubio is on his way out. Where to is a question I have no desire to guess at.
At the 5th pick in the draft, he probably went right about where he should have based on value (regardless of teams drafting, I feel like he would not have lasted past pick 9 or so). What do you think are his biggest deficiencies?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 7, 2016 14:22:10 GMT -5
ok, so one vote for height:ball-handling ability noted, thank you. perk, i'll refrain from explaining my side for a while, i'd like to hear as many opinions as possible without the influence of responding/reacting/adjusting to my own, but this specific area will be addressed.
really i'd like to hear from those who think he's a stud (TJ, chuck, others who were predicting he'd be starting over rubio soon, suns who drafted him so early, etc), but of course all comments are welcomed.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies (Luke) on Sept 7, 2016 18:35:53 GMT -5
Personally he reminds me a lot of John Wall defensively and offensively, also think he has an above average feel for the game.. and think he's a proven leader on the court..
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 7, 2016 18:40:36 GMT -5
Personally he reminds me a lot of John Wall defensively and offensively, also think he has an above average feel for the game.. and think he's a proven leader on the court.. appreciate the reply, but are you able to specify at all? as in, how does he remind you of wall, or what is it that makes you think he's a good leader or has a better "feel" for the game? |
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies (Luke) on Sept 7, 2016 18:40:37 GMT -5
and I'm pretty sure he's a got a great wingspan for his position which often times translates to the next level.. i could be off on that one-- but it would explain part of his success in the steals category
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Sept 7, 2016 18:43:54 GMT -5
and I'm pretty sure he's a got a great wingspan for his position which often times translates to the next level.. i could be off on that one-- but it would explain part of his success in the steals category physical measurements directly correlate to statistical success, and he does have an excellent wingspan for his position/size |
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Post by Golden State Warriors (Caleb) on Sept 7, 2016 18:44:24 GMT -5
^^ He does remind of John Wall but that's not why i like him as a player.
I honestly thought he would be your type of player. I watched a lot of Providence last year. He's a great defender for his position and age. He's tough, not because his background, but if you watch him he plays with heart and doesn't give up, very mentally tough which i think is important. But he really has it all, He can shoot the jumper, get the bucket, relentless on D, and has is athletic. He played well in college and limited minutes in summer league. You can just tell when watching someone whether they get it, and to me it really seems like he does.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies (Luke) on Sept 7, 2016 18:46:31 GMT -5
Personally he reminds me a lot of John Wall defensively and offensively, also think he has an above average feel for the game.. and think he's a proven leader on the court.. appreciate the reply, but are you able to specify at all? as in, how does he remind you of wall, or what is it that makes you think he's a good leader or has a better "feel" for the game? For one, the measurements for the two are very similar, albeit that doesn't always amount to much.. I can't really specify much other than the eye test having watch both a bunch... tbh However, they both are very good at finishing at the rim.. What i like most about Dunn is honestly is competitiveness on the court-- but at times can lead to him making terrible decisions with the ball-- but at Providence he was called do to a lot as well.. |
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Sept 7, 2016 19:19:06 GMT -5
FWIW i saw him in person
he needs to work on shot selection....too many pull up mid range jumpers, he is horrible in the mid range....kinda respectable from deep
needs to shoot off the dribble better
too many "jump passes" that led to a couple dumb TO's in the game i saw too....that's definitely a John Wall/Derrick Rose trait
he really knows how to run an offense though, has a great feel for the game. just knows where people are gonna be and seems to read/react really well on defense
he has many flaws, but he's really good. is he gonna steal Rubio's job this year? probably not, but there's no denying that they drafted Dunn as the pg of the future
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Post by Golden State Warriors (Caleb) on Sept 7, 2016 23:33:58 GMT -5
Wanted to expand on my earlier post because it was pretty rushed and didn't really explain why i like him. Like Yacob says, he really has a great feel for the game. He ran the Providence offense and has great court sense/awareness. What i meant by heart is he plays fearless. You can tell with certain guys, no matter how skilled they are when they are thinkng about things too much, they just can't play their game no matter how talented they are. He is has the ability to play 100% with confidence in himself while still being under control which is something i really like. His shot mechanically is very good, so i think it really is just a matter of time and reps before he is an average to above average NBA shooter. So pair that feel for the game, and his Russ- LIKE relentlessness and i think you have a really solid player. I think it will only be a matter of time before he wins you over. Or i could be completely wrong haha. www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJcSJ5K_EwObvioulsy does have flaws, but check out his highlights from past year |
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Sept 8, 2016 21:33:25 GMT -5
that's a really good way to describe him actually
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Mar 10, 2017 22:42:56 GMT -5
Can we declare me the victor and put this one to rest yet? Just watched probably the 20th TWolves game I've managed to catch this year, and my opinion hasn't changed... They've given him tons of chances, in different roles and situations, Dunn remains essentially Danny Green with better potential but also a bigger ego and less coachability, and frankly his jumper isn't as good either.
He's a good player, with the chance to be really good if he accepts what he is and puts the work in, but the way people were talking about him, including y'all... C'mon now. Taking Rubio's job within weeks, or by the All-Star break? LMAO.
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Mar 11, 2017 14:13:07 GMT -5
He's a guy who was drafted for his potential, so the jury is still out on him. I was never a fan and I think Rubio is constantly underrated, but Dunn isn't doing himself any favors with a chance to play more now that Lavine is out.
Who wins Rookie of the year could be an interesting thread. Embiid (if you count him as a rookie) played a handful of games and is clearly good. Jaylen Brown has been very solid. Hernangomez & Zubac are less advertised but could be considered, although Zubac hasn't really played all that much until the last month or so.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Mar 11, 2017 23:29:56 GMT -5
You're a fucking dumbass for thinking Manu is a better player than Kobe.
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Mar 12, 2017 1:07:17 GMT -5
You're a fucking dumbass for thinking Manu is a better player than Kobe. lol |
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks (Jacob) on Mar 12, 2017 15:16:40 GMT -5
He's a guy who was drafted for his potential, so the jury is still out on him. I was never a fan and I think Rubio is constantly underrated, but Dunn isn't doing himself any favors with a chance to play more now that Lavine is out. Who wins Rookie of the year could be an interesting thread. Embiid (if you count him as a rookie) played a handful of games and is clearly good. Jaylen Brown has been very solid. Hernangomez & Zubac are less advertised but could be considered, although Zubac hasn't really played all that much until the last month or so. you ain't even gonna mention brogden in that? smh |
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Mar 12, 2017 20:54:03 GMT -5
Forgot about him. He's sort of been quiet lately though, did he get hurt or something?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Mar 13, 2017 16:36:22 GMT -5
Forgot about him. He's sort of been quiet lately though, did he get hurt or something? LOL, no. He lost the backup PG minutes to Jones (a far superior player, at least right now, most likely for good unless Dunn develops some improved coachability) and now they're sort of experimenting with him as a combo 1/2 reserve... He plays way too loose, like he's accustomed to being the best guy on the court, and he can't accept that he's far from that in the NBA. All of which results in a shit ton of terrible decisions, dead-end possessions, and ugly turnovers. He also gambles way too much on defense, frequently gets caught out of position trying to make the flashy steal, etc. Sent from my Pixel using proboards |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Mar 13, 2017 16:39:06 GMT -5
And i just realized you probably meant brogdon, hahaha... He had some mysterious back injury they were real quiet about, supposedly was available yesterday but didn't play.
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks (Jacob) on Mar 14, 2017 5:34:38 GMT -5
Forgot about him. He's sort of been quiet lately though, did he get hurt or something? LOL, no. He lost the backup PG minutes to Jones (a far superior player, at least right now, most likely for good unless Dunn develops some improved coachability) and now they're sort of experimenting with him as a combo 1/2 reserve... He plays way too loose, like he's accustomed to being the best guy on the court, and he can't accept that he's far from that in the NBA. All of which results in a shit ton of terrible decisions, dead-end possessions, and ugly turnovers. He also gambles way too much on defense, frequently gets caught out of position trying to make the flashy steal, etc. Sent from my Pixel using proboards homie you hella angry about dunn did he like personally wrong you or something |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Mar 14, 2017 8:36:35 GMT -5
The guy's a dick
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Mar 14, 2017 10:54:16 GMT -5
Saric is also making a nice end of year push, he could be in the running as well.
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Mar 15, 2017 10:58:10 GMT -5
Brogdon should be ROY. I don't see a real argument against him, Embiid played 30 games he can't win. Saric is nice but had less impact on a worse team. Jaylen is the top rook atm but overall i still got Brogdon
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Mar 15, 2017 14:33:31 GMT -5
Embiid was still so much better than everyone when he played I think he wins id have saric 2nd but his numbers have gone up mostly due to embiids injury and departures of noel and ersan
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies (Luke) on Aug 4, 2018 16:01:49 GMT -5
Just a bump.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Aug 4, 2018 21:56:16 GMT -5
Hahaha. Still think he's terrible, we'll see how the bulls experiment with him works i guess, couldn't ask for a better opportunity to prove yourself... but I'm holding Cam Payne for a reason.
And really, if you read my posts, i never denied his potential, he could be a good NBA player, just needs to do a lot of work on his game and attitude, which i still haven't seen any evidence of. My issue was that y'all had this attitude that he was gonna be ROY and immediately take the starting job in Minnesota and run with it, and that shit was ridiculous, just really didn't understand where it came from.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Aug 4, 2018 23:01:16 GMT -5
This thread also reminded me you think Manu is better than Kobe.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Aug 5, 2018 0:31:58 GMT -5
This thread also reminded me you think Manu is better than Kobe. Not reopening that argument, but my position was not that he's better or more talented, rather that he would be the better choice to have on your team if you were trying to actually win games. Sent from my Pixel using proboards |
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Aug 5, 2018 2:26:16 GMT -5
Lol yeah mamba mentality dawg. get sum of it
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