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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Nov 11, 2016 2:53:49 GMT -5
Ok I prolly sound like a broken record and that's ok idc just offering up a suggestion of compromise that most of you will prolly slander with comments below.
The Problem:
Obviously trading without moving cap has complicated things for teams not just myself. I would prolly say more than 1/3rd of the league is within about 5m of the salary cap. Which almost eliminates 1/3rd of the league when attempting to make a trade. Like for instance in no way am I going to hash out any sort of deal let alone a fair one with less than 5m to work around.
Also it really fucks someone in the future as well as I've found out because with all these extensions players are going from 2-6m to almost 20M over the course of one year (which is out of owners control). So even when I'm attempting to help myself next year I can't because the deal would put me over this year.
Suggested Solution (really it's just a suggestion):
Limit how much cap can be traded per trade. I'm assuming the big deal is people trading for huge contracts for one year and fucking the team for years to come. OK what about limiting traded cap to 5m per trade? Or something like that to atleast give teams a tiny bit of wiggle room and still maintaining the integrity of the league.
I know I'm very vocal so I come off sort of demanding but really I'm just addressing something I feel is holding a great league back. But anyways whether you disagree with my suggestion or not I think we should consider addressing this I'd rather this not be a PM only league.
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Nov 11, 2016 9:36:11 GMT -5
So I'll start as the sort of nice transition that might turn more ugly as TJ tries to wiggle again. I think there are 2 very important things to take out of this. #1, and TJ knows this, don't draft a shit ton of expensive players. Sorry TJ you knew it would be said. But to your point, #2 and more directly to this issue, I think the most fair solution to what you are considering might actually be incorporating the NBA's "trade exception rule". Let's say in the current NBA that Houston trades Ryan Anderson (like 20 mil a year) to a team that has cap space like Philly for a player making 3 mil. My understanding is that this transaction allows for a trade exception to be generated of 17 mil for Houston, and is good for up to one year. If you don't use it after a year, it just disappears. The trade exception is basically used as money that can be used in a future trade. The rules of acquiring exceptions is very difficult and makes my head spin a bit so if we considered incorporating it we'd have to read up on it.
A real life example of this was when the celtics used a trade exception of approximately 10 million from the trade they made the season before (Pierce/KG deal to Nets). The Celtics used the 10million exception by taking Tyler Zeller, Marcus Thornton a protected 1st round pick from the Cavaliers. Cleveland did this to clear cap for the King himself. Worked out for both teams.
So if we were to add something like this, #1 and most importantly, we'd have to understand when a trade exception is gained (another Celtics deal was when we traded Rondo to Dallas, however even though we received players back equaling over 8 mil in salary, we did non-parallel trades with Dallas allowing us to earn Rondo's 12 mil exception, so basically two mini trades at the same time w/ same team). #2, we could track exceptions like draft picks. #3, it allows for more assets than just players and picks. #4, it does allow for a little more wiggle room cap wise. I'm not sure if you can use a trade exception to get a player that puts you over the cap, so like I said we'd all have to read up on it.
What are your opinions on this? It's more realistic than limiting trades or disallowing some trades to go through, so I think TJ might like this solution. I wouldn't mind doing it as it'd be something new, although it'd be hard to track.
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Post by Denver Nuggets (Kevin) on Nov 11, 2016 15:10:37 GMT -5
I actually agree with TJ for once, very hard to deal
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Post by Yacob (freelance idiot) on Nov 11, 2016 19:51:48 GMT -5
thumbs up on trade exception
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Nov 12, 2016 0:20:23 GMT -5
if it helps with trading im all for it. lets just do something cuz this is ridiculous
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Nov 12, 2016 0:23:18 GMT -5
but i dont think this would help the fact that half the league cant trade with eachother. when i have 0.75m and half the league has close to that not much you can do to find a trade that would even be possible let alone fair
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Nov 12, 2016 1:02:22 GMT -5
I've agreed since you've 1st brought it up, harder to trade=less activity.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Nov 30, 2016 2:59:11 GMT -5
Caleb or anyone else ANY THOUGHTSSS
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Nov 30, 2016 20:00:27 GMT -5
If you drafted your team such that you have barely any cap left, that's entirely your fault, the rules were clearly stated, and trying to get the rules changed after the fact is not appropriate or fair. My team, and many others, have significant cap space left, those teams that don't should be in the undesirable position of needing to "lose" a trade based on player value in order to shed salary, just like it happens in real life. Send me offers, lol.
Trade exception seems p like a reasonable and good idea.
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Nov 30, 2016 22:10:19 GMT -5
It's just dumb af because it's harder to trade, harder to trade=less activity man...
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Dec 1, 2016 15:06:00 GMT -5
If you drafted your team such that you have barely any cap left, that's entirely your fault, the rules were clearly stated, and trying to get the rules changed after the fact is not appropriate or fair. My team, and many others, have significant cap space left, those teams that don't should be in the undesirable position of needing to "lose" a trade based on player value in order to shed salary, just like it happens in real life. Send me offers, lol. Trade exception seems p like a reasonable and good idea. Sent from my Pixel using You're missing the point that is trying to be made. It has nothing to do with anything you just said above. And your reason for wanting nothing changed is more selfish then any concerns we have expressed. The point is to keep the league alive and the people who have the cap to trade don't even bother to show up and do anything. W.e this place will fade cause Caleb doesn't even have time for it anyways. |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Dec 1, 2016 15:19:51 GMT -5
If you drafted your team such that you have barely any cap left, that's entirely your fault, the rules were clearly stated, and trying to get the rules changed after the fact is not appropriate or fair. My team, and many others, have significant cap space left, those teams that don't should be in the undesirable position of needing to "lose" a trade based on player value in order to shed salary, just like it happens in real life. Send me offers, lol. Trade exception seems p like a reasonable and good idea. Sent from my Pixel using You're missing the point that is trying to be made. It has nothing to do with anything you just said above. And your reason for wanting nothing changed is more selfish then any concerns we have expressed. The point is to keep the league alive and the people who have the cap to trade don't even bother to show up and do anything. W.e this place will fade cause Caleb doesn't even have time for it anyways. wow. what are you doing in a dynasty league if you honestly feel it's just gonna die and the only point is to maximize your short-term benefit? i have received barely any trade offers, i would imagine the same is true for other owners with cap space, and I was gone on a month-long posted vacation immediately after the season started so haven't had time to talk to people or send any myself. honestly though, it's on you to find a trade that works with your shitty salary situation, and the fact is that you're unwilling to lose on immediate player value so you refuse to do so. you're only interested in trades that help you "win now" and that's impossible once you've already maxed out your salary in a hard cap league, you're just unable to deal with that fact, adjust in any way, or formulate a long-term plan. |
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Dec 2, 2016 0:00:35 GMT -5
once again im very fine with my 4-0 situation. i just enjoy trading and its not just me. maybe you shouldnt be so satisfied with that team that took that ass whoopin a few weeks back
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Post by Toronto Raptors (Perk) on Dec 2, 2016 9:54:34 GMT -5
It would be nice if it were a bit easier to trade. It would also be nice if your players weren't making so much money. There may be an in between here but we won't know for sure until HALF OF THE FUCKING LEAGUE DECIDES TO GIVE A SHIT. TJ the cap thing is certainly a conversation to be had but I think part of the frustration is the fact that other owners simply aren't checking their offers. Granted in a perfect world people would reach out to you, but for now until we know how much activity to actually expect, I'd send offers to the people who have cap space that are logging in.
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Post by Indiana Pacers (Jon) on Dec 2, 2016 11:02:58 GMT -5
the problem here isnt the cap. the problem is that we only have like 10-15 guys that are active. deadass caleb has barely been on and the league isnt the same anymore. its just getting boring with the same 6 people on chat saying "lets trade" and nothing happening.
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Post by New York Knicks (Tyler) on Dec 2, 2016 16:47:35 GMT -5
#Make26GreatAgain
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Post by New Orleans Pelicans (Alex) on Dec 2, 2016 16:51:32 GMT -5
At this point I am pretty sure that neither the Heat nor the Rockets actually have a GM...
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