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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Aug 5, 2018 10:39:13 GMT -5
its like you at the park and you captain, and you pick your best friend over the best player.... like dont get me wrong manu is a great great player... its just kobe's better lol. you'll say blah blah thats what the media says... but cmon dawg 1 game for a million dollars, you taking kobe or manu?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Aug 5, 2018 15:34:32 GMT -5
its like you at the park and you captain, and you pick your best friend over the best player.... like dont get me wrong manu is a great great player... its just kobe's better lol. you'll say blah blah thats what the media says... but cmon dawg 1 game for a million dollars, you taking kobe or manu? LOL, thanks for providing an excellent illustration of my point... I wasn't referring to who would be the most dominant in a pick-up game, who would be the coolest to watch play, or who had a greater aptitude for taking over and carrying a team for one game. My whole argument was in regards to who would most help an actual NBA competition level TEAM be the best that they could be, and have the greatest impact on that team's likelihood of winning games - multiple games - against other NBA quality opponents. And there's ample evidence that Ginobili did that far better than Kobe. Kobe was a brilliant, generational talent, but he was also a selfish, inefficient ball hog whose teammates consistently performed better when he was not on the floor. On top of that, he was a poisonous element to team chemistry throughout his career. Manu was the antithesis to all the negative aspects of Kobe: he didn't give a shit about personal accolades, he was a phenomenal teammate by all accounts, he encouraged others and spent time helping them improve (behind the scenes) instead of criticizing and backstabbing and being reclusive/superioristic (very publicly), and everything he did was done in the the mindset of making the team better, not making himself a legend. He was also damn near as good of a player, just didn't get the recognition because he wasn't an arrogant, flashy scorer playing for the Lakers. The thing that made Kobe great was his drive and his hunger, the problem was that those things manifested in him being an egomaniacal asshole on and off the court, to the detriment of his teams' ability to play as a cohesive unit working together for the win. Manu had less ability, there's no question about that, but he had the same drive, and he was smart (and selfless) enough to use it to further the team's goals instead of his own "legacy". If i were compiling a "dream team" that would actually play on the court, with the goal of winning games (as opposed to scoring points or having the appearance of being more athletic/talented), I'd take Manu ahead of Kobe all day, every day. Put another way... If you were an NBA level talent, who would you rather play next to? The vast majority of laypeople, and even educated basketball fans, would say Kobe - but I think if you asked people who actually lived it, who were more concerned with winning games than they were with living in the spotlight, who had the opportunity to objectively analyze without fear of reprisal from media or the public... The answer would surprise you. It really wasn't that hard to drag me back into the same old fight, was it? Son of a bitch. Sent from my Pixel using proboards |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Aug 5, 2018 16:25:07 GMT -5
Incidentally, this can be applied to my argument against Dunn as well... Guy acts/plays like he thinks he's Kobe, what he needs to do is play (and practice, and work) like he's trying to be Manu
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Aug 5, 2018 22:55:31 GMT -5
ill keep it short, the SOFT players like playing w manu. people w hunger like playing w Kobe. You know MJ was even worse on his teammates than Kobe? Theres stories that his teammates were legit scared of him. you taking Manu over MJ to? its a dumbass and soft way to look at this lmfao.
cmon bro ily but dont tell me kobe was "poisonous" to team chemistry. you can say the same damn thing about MJ. maybe people w a soft mindset cant relate idk. need more dawgs in the room.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs (Chris) on Aug 6, 2018 10:12:22 GMT -5
So being a belligerent asshole is what makes someone "hard"? You've seen Manu play, there was nothing soft about his game, that's ridiculous. And Michael was completely different than Kobe, not a valid comparison at all, sure he was very hard on them regarding their play but he never alienated himself the way Kobe did. His teammates also played better when he was on the court, for Kobe it was the opposite. Nobody was afraid of him, they just didn't fucking like him, because he was an arrogant douche, and there's no benefit to that behavior.
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Post by Charlotte Hornets (TJ) on Aug 7, 2018 12:57:37 GMT -5
If your drafting a team youre never in any situation picking manu over kobe. Manu was never the lead dog on those spurs teams, so its unfair to say hes a better teammate when the team never revolved around him
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Post by Chicago Bulls (Charlie) on Aug 8, 2018 18:04:04 GMT -5
think it's a little unfair to name kobe a "belligerent" asshole and an arrogant douche..... the guy was hard on his teammates... idk to me you can't deny that whatever he did, it worked. he got 5 rings.
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